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Debate Post-Mortem: Rematch Required As Commentators Split On Debate Winner, Markets Give Hillary Nod

Courtesy of ZeroHedge. View original post here.

From “big, fat, ugly bubbles” to “trumped-up trickle-down” economics, tonight’s debate had something for everyone. One-liners and soundbites were dropped like confetti with strange facial gestures, delicate coughs, and direct jabs flying left, right, and center. As far as the results go, it’s anyone’s guess: Lester Holt was soundly beaten by everyone online; the markets (S&P Futs and the Mexican Peso) both suggested a Trump loss, Trump won Twitter, online (and unscientific) polls were undecided with a slight nod to a Trump victory, as commentators were mixed, most siding with their ideological bias.

As Bloomberg reports, after a little more than 90 minutes of debate (full transcript here), here are the key takeaways from tonight’s event:

The candidates spent a good deal of time on stop-and-frisk, racial issues, Obama birther matter, ISIS and nuclear weapons.

Trump appeared to be rambling on a number of questions, especially on foreign policy.

Clinton made points on the tax returns, with Trump not ending questions about whether he failed to pay any federal income taxes — an not offering a clear reason as to why he’s not releasing his tax returns.

Clinton’s answers often were recitations of her campaign statements.

It was difficult for Holt, as moderator, to keep the candidates focused on the questions. At times, it appeared he’d lost control of the debate.

Behind their glazed eyes…

Some Key Excerpts

Clash of the Titans…

.@HillaryClinton and @realDonaldTrump arrive, shaking hands with one another: https://t.co/Nj065CIsxp pic.twitter.com/UhTqbuhnIx

— CBS News (@CBSNews) September 27, 2016

Then Hillary struck…

.@HillaryClinton: “Trumped up trickle-down” is not the way to grow the economy https://t.co/Nj065CIsxp pic.twitter.com/fqemO5PD6p

— CBS News (@CBSNews) September 27, 2016

Quickly followed by Trump…

Trump to Clinton: “You are going to regulate these businesses out of existence.” https://t.co/Nj065CIsxp pic.twitter.com/kB9ug5pNS9

— CBS News (@CBSNews) September 27, 2016

And…

“Typical politician: all talk, no action. Sounds good, doesn’t work.” https://t.co/Nj065CIsxp pic.twitter.com/cC0QLXKHM5

— CBS News (@CBSNews) September 27, 2016

Trump on ‘birtherism’

“I got him to give the birth certificate,” he said about President Barack Obama.

Trump on his temperament

“I think my strongest asset by far is my temperament. I have a winning temperament,” Trump said.

Trump on taxes

“That makes me smart,” Trump said in response to Clinton saying he might not pay federal income taxes.

Clinton on her emails

“I made a mistake using private email,” Clinton said.

“That’s for sure,” Trump added.

How rich?

“Maybe he’s not as rich as he says he is … There is something he’s hiding … Who does he owe money to?” Clinton speculating on why Trump hasn’t released his tax returns.

Trump Won The Drinking Game:

 

Trump Won Twitter:

What were the top #debatenight moments on Twitter? https://t.co/cLtoIjEgMR pic.twitter.com/IKtAiiQaU9

— Meet the Press (@MeetThePress) September 27, 2016

Per Twitter: Trump spoke for 62% of the debate, while Clinton spoke for 38%. https://t.co/cLtoIjEgMR pic.twitter.com/E30kzrKLcU

— Meet the Press (@MeetThePress) September 27, 2016

Polls Were Mixed:

Drudge – as expected – big trump win, suggesting whoever was for Trump before, remained with Trump:

NJ.com – Trump win.

Time.com – Hillary win.

Fortune.com – Small Trump win.

The Hill: Trump slightly ahead:

On the other hand, judging by the market’s response, Trump lost:

Judging by the surge in futures and the Mexican peso, markets judged the first of three U.S. presidential debates a win for Hillary Clinton: U.S. stock index futures reversed losses, while Mexico’s peso rebounding from a record low and haven assets including the yen and gold fell.  S&P 500 futs gained 0.4 percent as shares in Asia pared losses. Mexico’s peso rose as much as 1.5 percent, although rolled over toward the end of the debate.

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She Said…

  • *CLINTON SAYS KEY ELECTION QUESTION IS WHAT FUTURE FOR U.S.
  • *CLINTON SAYS NEED TO BUILD AN ECONOMY FOR `EVERYONE’
  • *CLINTON SAYS NEED TO INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE, RENEWABLES
  • *CLINTON CALLS FOR RAISING MINIMUM WAGE, MORE PROFIT SHARING
  • *CLINTON SAYS WEALTHY NEED TO `PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE’
  • *CLINTON: TRUMP’S TAX PLAN IS TRUMPED UP TRICKLE-DOWN ECONOMICS
  • *CLINTON SAYS TRUMP `ROOTED FOR THE HOUSING CRISIS’
  • *CLINTON, TRUMP SPAR ON ECONOMIC RECORD OF BILL CLINTON’S YEARS
  • *CLINTON: `DONALD, I KNOW YOU LIVE IN YOUR OWN REALITY’
  • *TRUMP: YOU HAVE NO PLAN; CLINTON: I WROTE A BOOK ABOUT IT
  • *CLINTON: I HAVE A FEELING I’LL BE BLAMED FOR EVERYTHING
  • *CLINTON ON PRIVATE EMAILS: I MADE A MISTAKE; TRUMP AGREES
  • *CLINTON SAYS SHE’S MET PEOPLE `STIFFED’ BY TRUMP’S BUSINESSES
  • *CLINTON: RACE REMAINS `SIGNIFICANT’ CHALLENGE IN U.S.
  • *CLINTON: TRUMP PAINTS `DIRE, NEGATIVE’ PICTURE OF BLACK AMERICA
  • *CLINTON SAYS WANTS TO END PRIVATE PRISONS IN STATE SYSTEMS TOO
  • *CLINTON SAYS TRUMP INVITING RUSSIA TO HACK WAS `UNACCEPTABLE’
  • *CLINTON SAYS TRUMP BACKED IRAQ WAR AND LIBYA INTERVENTION
  • *CLINTON SAYS TRUMP HAS `CAVALIER ATTITUDE’ ON NUCLEAR WEAPONS
  • *CLINTON SAYS U.S. CAMPAIGN HAS CAUSED WORRY FOR WORLD LEADERS

He Said…

  • *TRUMP SAYS U.S. JOBS `FLEEING THE COUNTRY’ INCL. TO MEXICO
  • *TRUMP: THEY’RE USING OUR COUNTRY AS PIGGY BANK TO REBUILD CHINA
  • *TRUMP: WE HAVE TO STOP OUR JOBS FROM BEING STOLEN FROM US
  • *TRUMP CITES FORD, CARRIER SAYING NEED TO KEEP COS. IN U.S.
  • *TRUMP CALLS CLINTON BY SECRETARY TITLE, ASKS IF THAT’S OK
  • *TRUMP INTERJECTS ON CLINTON ATTACK: `THAT’S CALLED BUSINESS’
  • *TRUMP SAYS U.S. ENERGY POLICIES ARE A `DISASTER’
  • *CLINTON, TRUMP SPAR ON ECONOMIC RECORD OF BILL CLINTON’S YEARS
  • *TRUMP SAYS NAFTA IS THE WORST TRADE DEAL SIGNED ANYWHERE
  • *TRUMP SAYS CLINTON FLIPPED ON TPP AFTER HIS CRITICISMS
  • *TRUMP: YOU HAVE NO PLAN; CLINTON: I WROTE A BOOK ABOUT IT
  • *TRUMP SAYS WE HAVE NO LEADERSHIP, THAT STARTS WITH CLINTON
  • *TRUMP SAYS CLINTON A `TYPICAL POLITICIAN,’ THAT SHE’S ALL TALK
  • *TRUMP SAYS THE FED IS NOT DOING THEIR JOBS, BEING POLITICAL
  • *TRUMP ON E-MAILS: THAT WAS NOT A MISTAKE, DONE PURPOSEFULLY
  • *TRUMP ON RACIAL DIVIDE, SAYS NEED TO HAVE `LAW AND ORDER’
  • *TRUMP: TEND TO AGREE W/ BLOCKING GUNS FOR THOSE ON NO-FLY-LIST
  • *TRUMP: BLACK COMMUNITY HAS BEEN `LET DOWN’ BY POLITICIANS
  • *TRUMP SAYS HE GOT OBAMA TO PROVIDE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE
  • *TRUMP SAYS CLINTON ALLIES PEDDLED OBAMA BIRTHPLACE QUESTIONS
  • *TRUMP SAYS DOESN’T KNOW IF RUSSIA HACKED DNC, COULD BE OTHERS
  • *TRUMP: ISLAMIC STATE COULDN’T HAVE FORMED IF WE’D TAKEN THE OIL
  • *TRUMP SAYS IDEA HE SUPPORTED IRAQ WAR IS MEDIA NONSENSE
  • *TRUMP SAYS HE HAS MUCH BETTER TEMPERAMENT THAN CLINTON DOES
  • *TRUMP: NUCLEAR WEAPONS ARE NUMBER ONE THREAT NOT CLIMATE CHANGE
  • *TRUMP ON NUCLEAR WEAPONS: I WOULD CERTAINLY NOT DO FIRST STRIKE
  • *TRUMP: CLINTON DOESN’T HAVE THE LOOK, DOESN’T HAVE THE STAMINA
  • *TRUMP: `HILLARY HAS EXPERIENCE, BUT IT’S BAD EXPERIENCE’

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The bottom line.

This was pretty conventional. Trump voters r still 4 him. Hill still for Hill. Undecideds still undecided. And many want better candidates.

— Ari Fleischer (@AriFleischer) September 27, 2016

A quick thought on who “won” the debate, and why that’s a fundamentally useless question pic.twitter.com/aY00UVbxDf

— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) September 27, 2016

So, as Obama would say after his first unfortunate debate in 2012, on to the rematch.

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