Archive for 2009

Citigroup Begs To Be 40% Nationalized

Update on Citigroup, courtesy of Mish.

Citigroup Begs To Be 40% Nationalized

Citigroup is in deep trouble. Its share price is $1.95 and the market is recognizing what I said a year ago: "Citigroup Is Insolvent". Of course it is not just Citigroup that is insolvent, the entire global banking system is insolvent.

Nonetheless, Citigroup pretends otherwise.

Inquiring minds are reading Citi presses officials to take 40% stake

Citigroup is pressing the US government to agree on a new capital injection that would increase the authorities’ stake in the troubled bank to about 40 per cent but stop short of an outright nationalisation.

People close to the situation said Citi executives had been in discussions with regulators during at the weekend over a plan that would enable the government and other shareholders to convert up to $75bn of preferred shares into common stock.

According to its proponents, the injection of common stock would bolster Citi’s capital base while at the same time allaying market fears of a nationalisation. Under the plan, first revealed by the Financial Times last week, Citi could also try to raise fresh equity with a public share offering. The aim would be to keep the government stake to no more than 40 per cent or at least below 50 per cent, said people familiar with the plan.

People familiar with the plan said it would hinge on the price at which the government and other shareholders, which include sovereign wealth funds and Prince Al Waleed, convert their shares as well as how many of its $45bn-worth of shares the government converts.

Top Government Officials – who are trying to establish seeking a want a more strategic and less ad hoc response to the crisis – were and are anxious to avoid if possible the type of Sunday night crisis announcement that became a staple for Hank Paulson for ’s crisis management at the Treasury last year.

Black HoleThe Treasury said secretary Tim Geithner would “preserve a financial system that is owned and managed by the private sector”.

Citigroup Is A Black Hole

Citigroup is a black hole, sucking in every dollar thrown at it and it still wants more. No amount seems enough to save it. Taxpayers have already guaranteed a whopping $300 billion dollars worth of Citigroup debt. Now, two months later, Citigroup is begging for still

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China Invests in Production and Commodities While the US Feeds the Sharks

More from Jesse’s Café Américain on China’s strategic investments in supplies of commodities.

China Invests in Production and Commodities While the US Feeds the SharksShark Feeding

Courtesy of Jesse’s Café Américain

China is securing long term supplies of oil, aluminum, iron and other hard commodities at ‘favorable prices for years to come.’

The United States is investing in increasingly worthless paper, insolvent banks, crony capitalist ponzi schemes, non-productive consumption, and enormous bonuses for Wall Street financiers.

After a visit to China a few years ago, touring their factories with workers quietly hunched over their worktables in fear, working whatever hours were offered in difficult conditions, Bill Gates observed that this was ‘his kind of capitalism.’

The choices you make, what you choose to do or not to do, will pay significant returns, either good or ill, for your children and your children’s children.

Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.Aluminum Corp of China (Chinalco) The investment by Aluminum Corp. of China, or Chinalco as the state-owned entity is known, into Rio may bolster China’s bargaining power to set iron ore prices, China Iron and Steel Association said.

NY Times
With Cash to Spend, China Starts Investing Globally

By David Barboza
February 21, 2009

SHANGHAI — With the world suffering through a tight credit market, China has suddenly gone shopping.

Beijing said on Friday that one of its big state-owned banks, the China Development Bank, agreed to lend the Brazilian oil giant Petrobras $10 billion in exchange for sending China a long-term supply of oil.

That investment came after similar deals were signed this week with Russia and Venezuela, bringing China’s total oil investments this month to $41 billion.

China’s biggest aluminum producer also agreed earlier this month to invest $19.5 billion in Australia’s Rio Tinto, one of the world’s biggest mining companies. And last Monday, the China Minmetals Corporation bid $1.7 billion to acquire Australia’s OZ Minerals, a huge zinc mining companyChina National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC), the country's top oil and gas producer

China wants reliable supplies of crude oil, to fuel its growing transport sector; it needs iron ore for steel production, and copper and aluminum to build homes and consumer goods

Analysts say China could continue to make deals for a variety of small oil and gas companies, mineral producers and mining firms.

This week, for instance, shares of

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Taxpayers To Get Raped

The process in the works? Mish presents two sides – language and meaning.

Taxpayers To Get Raped In Public-Private "Partnership"Lehman_Brothers_Times_Square_by_David_Shankbone

Courtesy of Mish

CNBC is discussing Crafting a Bank Plan…No ‘Lehman Weekends’

While markets appear to be waiting for the hammer of government to come crashing down on the nation’s two largest banks, several government officials in interviews with CNBC on Sunday described a process in the works that is far more deliberative.

Some details will be made available this week, but parts of the plan will take weeks, months and even more than a year to play out as the Obama administration puts together a program that they hope will return banks to long-term health.

What is clear is that they are specifically trying to avoid “Lehman Weekends,” referring to the furious efforts in September when Lehman Bros. went bankruptcy and AIG was bailed out. Officials stressed that there were no separate meetings going on surrounding Bank of America or Citigroup specifically and that the two banks would be treated under the broad plan now in the works.

Neither bank has asked for increased government assistance and one official said such assistance is not needed at this time.

Officials would not rule out increased or even outright government ownership of large banks at the end of the process, but they say their intent is to avoid that outcome and that it is anything but certain. They say the government does not want to be running these companies.

If the banks end up in government hands, officials say, the intent would be to get them into private hands quickly and do so in a way that is not much different from how the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. currently resolves bank insolvencies, which typically take place over the weekend. The extent of government ownership, they say, will depend on the size of the losses at the banks, the access of banks to private capital and how the recession plays out.

Said one high-level official, “I think the market is missing that the whole intent of this process is to show that the banks have enough capital for even worse outcomes than we currently envision and to show there’s a program in place to give banks access to that capital if they need it.”

My Comment: What the nameless high

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The Future Of Wall Street

Interesting insight via John Carney at ClusterStock.

The Future Of Wall StreetWall-Street-Bull.jpg, clusterstock

Here’s the inside scoop on the current state of brokerages and investment banking, courtesy of one of our readers.  He explains:

  • The firms most aggressively pursuing brokers are foreign banks UBS and Duetche Bank, neither of which is restricted by the compensation caps that come with TARP funds.
  • Morgan Stanley and Citigroup’s brokerage joint ventue will attempt to avoid the TARP compensation caps through corporate structuring. The argument is that the JV didn’t take TARP funds, even though it was capitalized by corporate parents that took TARP. (This was actually our advice on how to avoid the paycaps.)
  • The dominant players in investment banking will be Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan, who will form a kind of new oligopoly. Margins will be lower but leverage will be as well. With so much risk taken out of the game, they may even trade at higher multiples to earnings.

That’s just the summary. Here’s the details:

It amazes me how so many clueless folks can drone on about stuff they know nothing about. The running assumption being that all precedents can be extrapolated to all new situations.

First, those that say with the shit shape the industry is in there’s no place to go, you clearly haven’t a clue. In the retail advisor space, the primary recruiting competition to the MSSB JV is UBS. They have the most aggressive bid in the market for talented brokers with current payments for jumping ship being 200-250% of trailing 12mos gross revenue. Since September, the reality for the average broker, is that each month that passes means his trailing 12 gross is decreasing due to market conditions. Thus, for MSSB, time is of the essence (MS lost dozens of FAs last week with the expiration of the February offers). The second most aggressive bid is Duetche Bank. Note that both are non-US firms and neither is subject to any restrictions, real or populist inspired, due to TARP dealings. Thus, these non-US firms have an unfair advantage in competing for talent if the domestic firms are having their hands tied by Congress, the media or internet no-nothings. Funny, but

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Phil Gramm’s Evisceration

Karl Denninger responds to Phil Gramm’s "historical revisionism" piece in the WSJ.

Phil GrammPhil Gramm’s Evisceration

Courtesy of Karl Denninger at The Market Ticker

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A Look At One Of The World’s Largest Fund Of Funds

You heard it here first (maybe), a fund of funds with no funding is no fun.

A Look At One Of The World’s Largest Fund Of Funds – New York State

Courtesy of Tyler Durden at Zero Hedge

In the wake of the Madoff scandal, it is only a matter of time before the Fund of Funds industry disappears, as investor anger grows at the glaring failure of Fund of Funds’ primary responsibility – due diligence. Fund of Funds are currently perceived as worthless middle men between hedge funds and investors, pocketing 1% management fees and 10% incentive fees for arguably doing no work whatsoever.

So as the investment industry contracts and Fund of Funds do all they can to stay around for a few more quarters, it makes sense to take a look at some entities that few have considered: the state pension and retirement funds. Notable among these are the California Public Employees Retirement System (Calpers), The Teachers Retirement System of Texas (TRS), the Orgeon Public Employees Retirement System and the granddaddy of them all: The New York State Common Retirement System and the New York State Teachers Retirement System.

Which brings us to an interest point. As the financial system collapses and states’ budget deficits skyrocket, the lives of citizens are about to get very ugly as legislators’ only options are to cut state employees (i.e. police officers, healthcare workers and educators) and raise taxes through the roof. One need look no further than California which is on the brink of collapse, as absent federal assistance, it will be unable to fund its $42 billion state deficit. New York is in no better position, and David Paterson has had numerous media appearances attempting to warn New Yorkers just how difficult lives in the state are about to become. New York state public workers rallying in Albany, World Socialist Website

In the meantime, public workers, current and retired, of troubled states will shortly begin receiving very disturbing news, as their pensions and benefit packages are about to be drastically reduced if not eliminated altogether. The culprit? The falling market.

New York State Retirement System

At the market’s peak a little over a year ago, the two principal funds that New York uses to invest retirement money, the New York State Common Retirement System and the New York State Teachers’ Retirement

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Weekly Wrap-Up

22-feb-v2.jpgI'm not doing a weekly wrap-up.

I pretty much did one on Friday in the morning post and I posted my weekend reading list this morning at the end of Friday's comments for members and Peter D posted 4 excellent plays for those of you willing to dip your toes in the financials once again.  We actually had a great day on Friday as we sold premium in long SKF and had a fantastic 10-bagger on SKF puts later in the day.  At 9:45 I called fro a switch from UYG at $2.02 to FAS at $4.30 and FAS ran up to $5.20 and finished at $4.90 (14%) while UYG peaked at $2.24 and finished at $2.20 (up 9%) so a good switch to the faster horse.

We also flipped from FXP covers to FXI longs (hedged at $20.98/21.99), a very well-timed about face as we sold FXP into the initial excitement.  VLO got too cheap to turn down on the leaps and even C became attractive at 1:35, when the Sept $3s hit .52 and I noted they could be covered with 2011 $5s at .58 but, so far, we haven't needed to pull the trigger on the cover!  My last call of the day came at 1:48, when I said to members: "SKF $200 puts at $1.45 for the brave, out if XLF cant cros $7 when Volcker starts speaking."  As we expected, the moment Volker came on TV to dispell some of the silliness we got a double and were able to take half off and let the rest ride.  That ride took us all the way to $16 just one hour later – not bad for a day trade!

I did add a mattress layer at 2:34, going for the $185 puts for $2 and those quickly ran to $6 but "yawn" compared to our original play as it ran and ran.  We were all stopped out by 3:12 and sadly, by 3:28 we had to turn a little bearish (we had originally planned 50:50) as the administration backpeddled on a statement that the Treasury would actually have a plan for us next week.  Since we never had to trigger our bearish QID play from the morning post, I was wishy-washy about the downside and…
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While Rome Burns

Europe, East And West joined at the hip, in freefall. Is there a a single parachute between them?  Here’s John Mauldin‘s latest. Man Writing A Letter, Gabriel Metsu, from Wikipedia

While Rome Burns

Courtesy of John Mauldin at Thoughts From The Frontline

When I sit down each week to write, I essentially do what I did nine years ago when I started writing this letter. I write to you, as an individual. I don’t think of a large group of people, just a simple letter to a friend. It is only half a joke that this letter is written to my one million closest friends. That is the way I think of it.

This week’s letter is likely to lose me a few friends, though. I am going to start a series on money management, portfolio construction, and money managers. It will be back to the basics for both new and long-time readers. I am not sure how long it will take (in terms of weeks), but it is likely to make a few people upset and provoke some strong disagreements. Let’s just say this is not stocks for the long run.

And because many of you want some continuing analysis of the current crisis, each week I will throw in a few pages of commentary at the beginning of the letter…

And now, let’s turn our eyes to Europe.

The Risk in Europe

I mentioned last week that European banks are at significant risk. I want to follow up on that point, as it is very important. Eastern Europe has borrowed an estimated $1.7 trillion, primarily from Western European banks. And much of Eastern Europe is already in a deep recession bordering on depression. A great deal of that $1.7 trillion is at risk, especially the portion that is in Swiss francs. It is a story that could easily be as big as the US subprime problem.

In Poland, as an example, 60% of mortgages are in Swiss francs. When times are good and currencies are stable, it is nice to have a low-interest Swiss mortgage. And as a requirement for joining the euro currency union, Poland has been required to keep its currency stable against the euro. This gave borrowers comfort that they could borrow at low…
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Depression Narrative as a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy

On first blush, it may seem odd to suggest that talking about a depression will cause one. On the other hand, talking about depression spreads fear and more depression, so arguably there’s something to it. Which leads to the broader issue of whether the country is depressed in an economic or psychologial sense. Perhaps we should all get on Prozac and see if the economy picks up.

The Depression Narrative as a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy

Courtesy of Mark Thoma at Economist’s View

I don’t buy into the idea that talk is a major factor driving the length and depth of the downturn, but Robert Shiller does:

Can Talk of a Depression Lead to One?, by Robert Shiller, Commentary, Economic View, NY Times: People everywhere are talking about the Great Depression… It is a vivid story of year upon year of despair. This Depression narrative, however, is not merely a story about the past: It has started to inform our current expectations.

According to the Reuters-University of Michigan Survey of Consumers earlier this month, nearly two-thirds of consumers expected that the present downturn would last for five more years. President Obama, in his first press conference, evoked the Depression in warning of a “negative spiral” that “becomes difficult for us to get out of” and suggested the possibility of a “lost decade,” as in Japan in the 1990s. …

The attention paid to the Depression story may seem a logical consequence of our economic situation. But the retelling, in fact, is a cause of the current situation — because the Great Depression serves as a model for our expectations, damping what John Maynard Keynes called our “animal spirits,” reducing consumers’ willingness to spend and businesses’ willingness to hire and expand. The Depression narrative could easily end up as a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The popular response to vivid accounts of past depressions is partly psychological, but it has a rational base. We have to look at past episodes because economic theory, lacking the physical constants of the hard sciences, has never offered a complete account of the mechanics of depressions.

The Great Depression does appear genuinely relevant…, and many people have been spooked by the story.

To understand the story’s significance in driving our thinking, it is important to recognize that the Great Depression itself was partly driven by the retelling of earlier depression stories. In

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The Burning Platform

James Quinn discusses the stimulous plan as a dead plan walking, doomed ab initio.

Courtesy of James Quinn
At Financial Sense Editorials

"The US government is on a “burning platform” of unsustainable policies and practices with fiscal deficits, chronic healthcare underfunding, immigration and overseas military commitments threatening a crisis if action is not taken soon."  David M. Walker

 David Walker served as Comptroller General of the United States from 1998 through 2008. He is now the CEO of the Peter G. Peterson Foundation and leader of the Fiscal Wake Up Tour. He has been a lone voice in the wilderness for the last decade regarding our looming fiscal disaster. As head of the General Accounting Office he would go before Congress and explain that the country need to change course before we flounder in a Perfect Storm of debt. They listened to him respectfully and proceeded to add $5 trillion to the National Debt in the next eight years. The borrowing binge is now entering a hyper-speed phase. President Obama has been only concerned with speed rather than long term corrective actions.

 “I don’t believe it’s too late to change course, but it will be if we don’t take dramatic action as soon as possible.  If nothing is done, this recession could linger for years.  That is why we need to act boldly and act now to reverse these cycles.”  

I prefer the wisdom of Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln.

”Delay is preferable to error.” – Jefferson

“Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe.” – Lincoln  

The $787 billion 1,074 page stimulus bill has been passed. President Obama has signed it. The market immediately dropped 500 points. It will have no impact on the economy in 2009. The bill will stimulate nothing but the National Debt. Within months, plans for another stimulus plan will be demanded by the Democratic led Congress because speed and the appearance of action are how politicians get reelected. When I see Senator Charles Schumer of New York make a speech on the floor of the Senate saying, "And let me say this to all of the chattering class that so much focuses on those little, tiny, yes, porky amendments, the American people really
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Zero Hedge

Caught On Tape: Russian Warships Launch 26 Cruise Missiles At ISIS Targets

Courtesy of ZeroHedge. View original post here.

Submitted by Tyler Durden.

On Monday evening, we detailed the Russian hardware being used in Moscow’s campaign to rout anti-regime forces and restore the government of Bashar al-Assad in Syria. 

As we noted in our preface to that feature, “watching Russia effectively humiliate the West by bragging day in and day out is nothing if it’s not amusing, and indeed the leaked diplomatic cable from 2006 which outlines Washington’s intent to effectively start a civil war in Syria leaves one completely uninclined to be at all sympathetic to the ridiculous situation the US and its allies have found thems...

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MH-17 Yet Again, Poring Over the Data (and Translations); Serious Factual Errors by Time and Western Media

Courtesy of Mish.

For most, the shoot-down of flight MH-17 over Ukraine is a forgotten memory. Western media has continually trumped up one of three stories.

  1. Russian-backed rebels did it
  2. Russia did it
  3. Russian-backed rebels did it with Russia's help

The extent to which Western media fabricated all sorts of lies to make those claims is still not widely known or understood.

Reader Jacob Dreizin, a US citizen who speaks and reads Russian, and who works for the US government (but speaks only for himself),  just recently decided to review some video footage and translations offered by Time Magazine on July 17: Russia Is Blocking Justice for the Victims of Flight 17.

Dreizin emailed Time about factual er...

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All About Trends

Mid-Day Update

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Kimble Charting Solutions

Did The Retail Investor Just Panic?

Courtesy of Chris Kimble.

This mornings post is from good friend Ryan Detrick. I am a big fan of using sentiment to get an edge in trading.  What I’m looking for are assets that are widely hated or widely loved – then going the other way.  In the end, price is the only thing that pays, but over the years I’ve found also considering sentiment can greatly help your portfolio as well.  The issue with using sentiment polls is the person doing the voting might not be telling the truth.  They could simply be talking their book.

Doing one thing, but saying another.

Well, there’s a new sentiment poll that takes care of that for us and looks at what real active inve...

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Insider Scoop

Citi Initiates Sell On JC Penney, Says Any Increased Operating Cash Flow Will Be Match By Increased CapEx, Expects FCF To Remain 'elusive' For Foreseeable Future

Courtesy of Benzinga.

Related JCP JC Penney Flirting With $10 Again Investors Cheer JC Penney Inc. Pension Obligation Redcution Citi starts J.C. Penney at Sell; shares slip (Seeking Alpha)

Citi PT Is $7.00

Latest Ratings for JCP DateFirmActionFromTo Oct 2015CitigroupInitiates Coverage onSell Sep 2015Sterne Agee CRTUpgradesNeutralBuy Aug 2015Deutsche BankUpgradesHoldBuy

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China to join Russia in Syria war


China to join Russia in Syria war By  at Value Walk

While Russia successfully bombs unidentified targets – either ISIS or U.S.-trained rebels – in Syria, China is planning to join Russia’s own emerging coalition by deploying Shenyang J-15, a carrier-based fighter aircraft.

Numerous reports have indicated that China is joining Russia’s airstrike campaign in Syria, which has killed at least 39 civilians, including eight children and eight women.


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Here’s how Apple, Nike and others avoided $620 billion in taxes (Market Watch)

Big U.S. companies are holding more than $2.1 trillion in profits overseas and are avoiding paying about $620 billion in U.S. taxes, according to a study released Tuesday.

The study by liberal groups Citizens for Tax Justice and the U.S. PIRG Education Fund found that nearly three-quarters of Fortune 500 companies had at least one tax-haven subsidiary in 2014. Bermuda and the Cayman Islands were the most popular tax-haven destinations.


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Chart School

Markets Hold Bulk of Gains

Courtesy of Declan.

Most of the gains were posted pre-market, but bulls were able to hold gains after a couple of days of bullish strength.

The S&P is on course to finish with a spinning top doji. The 50-day MA is just overhead and close to 2,000 psychological resistance. Technicals are close to turning net bullish.

The Nasdaq closed above 20-day MA and has room to run to overhead resistance. Like the S&P, it 's close to turning net bullish technically. Today was a typical consolidation, which given recent price action should be viewed as bullish.


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Sector Detector: Searching for solid support in the face of global headwinds

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Courtesy of Sabrient Systems and Gradient Analytics

Uncertainty about the health of the global economy led investors to flee U.S. equities during Q3, primarily driven by worries about China's growth prospects and the Federal Reserve’s decision to not raise rates. Sure, there are plenty of real and perceived headwinds, but on balance it seems that a recession here at home is not in the cards. And when you consider sentiment and the technical picture, it appears that a continuation of Friday’s bounce is in store. The question remains as to whether the seasonally strong Q4 will be able to propel the bulls through levels of resistance that have built up.

In this weekly update, I give my view o...

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Swing trading portfolio - week of October 5th, 2015

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This post is for all our live virtual trade ideas and daily comments. Please click on "comments" below to follow our live discussion. All of our current  trades are listed in the spreadsheet below, with entry price (1/2 in and All in), and exit prices (1/3 out, 2/3 out, and All out).

We also indicate our stop, which is most of the time the "5 day moving average". All trades, unless indicated, are front-month ATM options. 

Please feel free to participate in the discussion and ask any questions you might have about this virtual portfolio, by clicking on the "comments" link right below.

To learn more about the swing trading virtual portfolio (strategy, performance, FAQ, etc.), please click here ...

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Baxter's Spinoff

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Baxter Int. (BAX) is splitting off its BioSciences division into a new company called Baxalta. Shares of Baxalta will be given as a tax-free dividend, in the ratio of one to one, to BAX holders on record on June 17, 2015. That means, if you want to receive the Baxalta dividend, you need to buy the stock this week (on or before June 12).

The Baxalta Spinoff

By Ilene with Trevor of Lowenthal Capital Partners and Paul Price

In its recent filing with the SEC, Baxter provides:

“This information statement is being ...

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Mapping The Market

An update on oil proxies

Courtesy of Jean-Luc Saillard

Back in December, I wrote a post on my blog where I compared the performances of various ETFs related to the oil industry. I was looking for the best possible proxy to match the moves of oil prices if you didn't want to play with futures. At the time, I concluded that for medium term trades, USO and the leveraged ETFs UCO and SCO were the most promising. Longer term, broader ETFs like OIH and XLE might make better investment if oil prices do recover to more profitable prices since ETF linked to futures like USO, UCO and SCO do suffer from decay. It also seemed that DIG and DUG could be promising if OIH could recover as it should with the price of oil, but that they don't make a good proxy for the price of oil itself. 


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Watch the Phil Davis Special on Money Talk on BNN TV!

Kim Parlee interviews Phil on Money Talk. Be sure to watch the replays if you missed the show live on Wednesday night (it was recorded on Monday). As usual, Phil provides an excellent program packed with macro analysis, important lessons and trading ideas. ~ Ilene


The replay is now available on BNN's website. For the three part series, click on the links below. 

Part 1 is here (discussing the macro outlook for the markets) Part 2 is here. (discussing our main trading strategies) Part 3 is here. (reviewing our pick of th...

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Help One Of Our Own PSW Members

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This is a non-trading topic, but I wanted to post it during trading hours so as many eyes can see it as possible.  Feel free to contact me directly at with any questions.

Last fall there was some discussion on the PSW board regarding setting up a YouCaring donation page for a PSW member, Shadowfax. Since then, we have been looking into ways to help get him additional medical services and to pay down his medical debts.  After following those leads, we are ready to move ahead with the YouCaring site. (Link is posted below.)  Any help you can give will be greatly appreciated; not only to help aid in his medical bill debt, but to also show what a great community this group is.

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